Compliance vs Freedom; a parenting dilemma

Sure, I can be an authentic and present parent, but what does that mean in practical application? What about when my child doesn't listen to me? How does presence help if my child is running toward the street and doesn't stop when I say stop?

Last week my husband attended a parenting lecture by Kim John Payne at our local Waldorf School. I've heard him speak before and I love what he has to say about raising children. He's a great speaker, and if you ever have a chance to go see him, I highly recommend it.

The last time I heard him speak, my son was six months old. Everything he said made perfect sense to me then. My son is now 2 ½, and things have changed. Theory and reality don't always mix seamlessly. When my husband debriefed the lecture with me, I felt conflicted. I wasn't sure I was 100% on board with what he was suggesting.

I've read everything from Babywise to Unconditional Parenting, and if you've read any of my posts, you'll know I lean significantly to the latter. In Unconditional Parenting, Alfie Kohn lays out researched evidence about the long-term harm we do to our children when we rely on rewards, praise, punishment, or coercion as our parenting strategies. He states that our reliance on these methods indirectly tells our children that our love is conditional and can be withdrawn if we don't approve of their behavior. While these methods may gain obedience in the short term, they create adults who are overly dependent on others for approval, among other things. I'm a big Alfie Kohn fan, and I love this book!

However, it's rather challenging to apply to daily life. Just try for one day to not bribe or coerce your toddler into cooperation. Or try counting how many times you say, "Good job," thereby robbing your child of the innate satisfaction of accomplishment. It's tricky.

I had recommended the book to a friend who was half-way through it when she said to me, "I haven't gotten to the part yet where he says what to do instead of relying on rewards, punishment or coercion." I told her not to hold her breath. The book's not big on practical advice. It's more about laying a philosophical foundation from which to make our parenting decisions.

Which brings me back to Kim John Payne…

Payne's approach to parenting also discourages rewards, praise, punishment, or coercion, for the same reasons Kohn describes in his book. I like that. He focuses the practical application of his parenting philosophy on the three stages of youth identified by Rudolf Steiner, the founder of Waldorf schooling. The three stages are: Willing (ages 0-6), Feeling (ages 7-14), and Thinking (teen years), and the parenting approaches change depending on the stage of the child.

Here is why I'm conflicted. He says that the key word for the "Willing" stage is "limitation" and the name of the game is compliance. (Hello? Flashbacks to Babywise!) At first (or second or third) glance, this doesn't sound at all compelling to me. It doesn't fit with my ideals of fostering a strong and independent-minded adult. After all, I don't want to train my son to blindly obey authority. Au contraire! I want him to break the molds and chart new territory. How is compliance going to get him there?

Before you get your feathers all ruffled like I did, keep reading.

After grappling with this dichotomy and thinking back on past experience, I think I've come to a better understanding of what Payne means.

First of all, the compliance thing is not forever; it's only for this early stage of childhood when consistent boundaries create a safety zone for our children. Compliance, in the way Payne is suggesting, is not gained by punishment or fear. It simply means to set clear boundaries and be consistent. (Parenting 101, right?) In a nutshell, it means that when a boundary has been breached, everything stops and the breach is addressed, clearly, calmly, firmly, and every time - even if you're in the middle of doing something else.

I have known this and practiced it for many years as an elementary school teacher.  Within the very clear and safe boundaries that were set (in stone!) at the beginning of each school year, creativity and originality were able to flourish. Once these clear boundaries were established, very little "discipline" or redirection was necessary. Our 2nd grade classroom was alive with deep discussions, compassionate behavior, and mutual respect. Compliance to clear boundaries didn't inhibit their natural spirit. Rather, it allowed them a safe space for its free expression.

Yet … I can honestly say that in practical application in our own home, the boundaries have been less than clear and rather inconsistent. It's always more difficult with our own children, isn't it? Perhaps my awareness of Lucas' sensitivities led me to believe that he'd just know how to cooperate. Yes, he's a powerful being, but he's still in a child's body and needs my guidance as his parent in order to grow into the fullness of his being. Thinking back to my teaching days helped me remember the wisdom in what Kim John Payne is sharing. Setting limitations now, when Lucas is young, is not going to stifle his strong spirit.

What does this mean for me in practical terms? It means that I need to be present when I give Lucas instructions, with the full expectation that he will follow through, and I wait for it. No more instructions hollered from the kitchen with no way for me to know if he's acknowledged them. It also means that my husband and I need to be very clear about what is and is not a boundary, so we can consistently reinforce it.

I think of a boundary like an invisible wall. Lucas can't see it. The only way he knows it's there is if we describe it for him the same way every time he reaches it. Eventually, he'll just trust it's there, and he can turn his attention to more productive things. Until that point, he'll need to keep feeling for it, in a sense asking us, "Is it here? Is it still here? Is it over there?"

Since we haven't consistently described the "wall," he's still in that stage of pushing at the edges, (i.e. challenging everything!). It would be easy for me to describe this as rebellion against these newly enforced limitations, and say it's "not working". I've reached this stage (and this conclusion) before, and easing up on the expectations was certainly a relief. But … it didn't help him stop when I told him to stop running toward the street; it didn't keep him from climbing the bookshelf or running away when it was time to change his diaper or get in the car.

And so, we are starting again. My husband and I will attempt to remain consistent with our newly-agreed-upon limits, and we will carefully watch to notice the effects on Lucas. I want to give this enough time to allow the "wall" to become visible to him, so he can relax his search.

What approaches have you tried with your children, and to what effect? What do you think of Payne's focus on limitations and compliance for this stage of childhood? Please leave your thoughts in the comments. I look forward to the conversation!

20 comments:

mommymystic March 31, 2009 11:27 AM  

I think I have made a very similar journey to yourself philosophically. I am not that familiar with Waldorf, but my kids (eldest is 4 1/2, and twins are almost 3) all attend a Montessori preschool. They have thrived in that environment, and that has helped me to understand the interplay between structure and freedom better. A very consistent environment and routine are created, and then within that, the kids are very self-directed and free to experiment. So I really agree with your point regarding taking the time to establish those boundaries and then the kids can turn their attention elsewhere, and not spend all their time testing them. My husband and I are working with that idea also, although finding it hard to be as consistent as we would like, with the added distractions of three so close together.

I also think your point regarding even 'evolved' or sensitive children needing that kind of guidance is very important - they are still children physically and psychologically. They don't get to skip any developmental steps at those levels, and we need to provide them with the ego structure to handle the world they will encounter. Otherwise they will not be able to utilize their other gifts. I have studied a lot of Buddhism, and the Tibetans believe that even 'tulkus' (children believed to be reincarnations of past enlightened lamas) have to be educated, disciplined and guided in a very specific way for them to regain their enlightenment. It is not guaranteed.

Thanks for a thought-provoking and informative post!

Alexis March 31, 2009 1:46 PM  

Mommymystic ~ Thanks so much, Lisa, for taking the time to add your thoughts to the conversation. Waldorf and Montessori differ in a few ways, but are similar in how they break with mainstream education and focus on the developmental needs of the child. Waldorf also focuses on predictable routines throughout the child's day so that their energy is freed to attend to more creative things.

I remember as a teacher, the beginning of the year was always a "holding the breath" time for me, as I hoped that the challenge of maintaining rock-solid boundaries would pay off. It always did, but I always worried nonetheless, wondering if I was doing the right thing. I realize that I'm experiencing that same worry with my son now, and finding it much harder to stay consistent when a) it's my own darling son and b) it's 24/7 with no bell at 2pm.

Thanks also for confirming my point about Crystal/sensitive/evolved children, and for the added support from your study of Buddhism and how the Tibetans view the raising of their 'tulkus.' I didn't know that. I'm very interested in learning more about their methods of raising, educating and guiding these children. Do you have any resources to recommend?

steph March 31, 2009 2:40 PM  

Another Montessori Mom and Kohn fan checking in!

Are you familiar with Redirecting Children's Behavior? Or the parenting class associated with the book? Susie Walton of Indigo Village is an amazing instructor and a big proponent of Indigos. I just finished the class and highly recommend it.

We have found that empowering our 4 year old with choices and problem solving opportunities, he is in much less need to find those boundaries. Personally, I think the boundaries should be few and firm. There is no doubt that he knows what they are and has for some time; from very little discussion. I am a big fan of talking less and responding more, though that is working less as his reasoning mind is begging for information and he is not shy about asking for it. But that's a whole different joy.

Alexis March 31, 2009 2:58 PM  

Hi Steph!

I am familiar with RCB, but have yet to find an experienced instructor who is more than a recent training program grad. Is Susie Walton here in San Diego? More info please! :)

How does RCB mesh with Kohn's philosophy? I've attended a free intro workshop and the instructor talked about using time-out and ignoring, so it didn't seem like the two approaches were compatible.

Thanks so much for chiming in with your thoughts on this. I agree with you that the boundaries need to be few and firm. Deciding which few make the cut is more difficult than it appears. You should hear the conversations with my husband as we deliberate over this!

Janine April 1, 2009 12:22 AM  

You know Alexis what struck me is what you said about your classroom and how you set strict boundaries at the beginning of the year to allow for freedom later and I want to know how you did this.

I think that I am feeling very blocked in trusting my ability to show up the way I want to for Jules because I have been unsuccessful in doing so in the classroom setting.

When I became a teacher all I ever wanted was to create a thriving community in the classroom with creativity and freedom and I have not found a way to do this; I find that I fall back on what I know and that is punishments and rewards.

I would love to attend a workshop of some kind that would support me in this journey with Jules.

Smiles,
Janine

mommymystic April 1, 2009 1:19 AM  

Alexis, thanks for your response. I don't have any specific resources I can recommend regarding Tibetan Buddhist teaching and parenting - what I wrote above is mostly the theoretical level I have picked up along the way from books on other Buddhist topics, but I am looking for something more specific myself and will pass them along if I find them...

Ramona April 1, 2009 4:50 AM  

Wow - if i only had the time to actually think out how I was going to approach every challenge, every situation that comes into the life of or is presented to me by my wonderful almost three year old!! Whatever happened to parenting from your gut, your instinct. Whatever happened to believing that people are a result of a mix of nature and nurture, moderation, balance.... I can say with 100% certainty that my parents never read a "parenting guidebook" or took any kind of class to learn how to teach me and guide me. And here I am as a healthy, high-functioning adult! I am not a criminal, drug addict, sheep, high schoold drop out, etc., etc., Now, do I think that small children should be allowed to run wild with no guidance? Absolutely not, I treat my child like I am his parent, not his best friend. I set boundaries based on what I beleive is safe and what is wrong or right and I am as consistent as I can possibly be. That's about it as far as my "parenting philosophy". So far, so good - I make sure that my son always, always, knows that we love him no matter what, and that he is a smart, funny, capable person... Geez, isn't that enough????

Alexis April 1, 2009 6:08 AM  

Hi Janine,
I'll offer a caveat here that was too much of a diversion from the point to include in the main blog post. I was most successful in creating this class culture when I was up in Oregon teaching in a school (and in a district!) that fostered and supported this kind of environment. It was far more challenging when I got to San Diego's extremely dysfunctional school system, where so much had to be "undone" before I could start fresh with the students. It was difficult to trust that process when the kids were already conditioned by behavior charts, reward systems, and punishments, and when that was the only option surrounding us in every other classroom. However, I think I still achieved it - it just took a lot, LOT longer. It also meant putting a lot of academic stuff on hold while we addressed these issues, and with the testing pressures in a Title 1 school, the heat was definitely ON to get it handled quickly and get on with "the important stuff." Hope that helps! Happy to chat more with you about it.

Alexis April 1, 2009 6:33 AM  

Hi Ramona,
Thanks for taking the time to read my post and offer your thoughts. I put this out as a way to open up dialogue about different approaches parents are taking, so I appreciate you sharing the approach that's working well for you. Thanks for the comment!

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steph April 3, 2009 1:36 PM  

Where Kohn offers a lot of theory, RCB offers nearly all practical application you can put into use right away. I'm surprised an RCB instructor talked of time outs or ignoring a child; I think that person may have missed the mark by a long shot. While they definitely do not promote time outs, they do offer a potential solution of teaching kids to time themselves out (not their term). The thought is that they learn when they are getting agitated and need to calm themselves down before acting out. The child then determines himself when he is ready to leave his 'quiet space' and rejoin the family. It's all about teaching the child to look within rather than being controlled from exterior forces/judgments. Firm and kind.

As far as promoting ignoring a child, I certainly did not get that out of the book or the class. They do promote setting boundaries and taking care of yourself, thus modeling what we hope our children will learn to do for themselves. Obviously, I am a big fan as are many of the parents at our school and playgroup.

Susie Walton has been teaching for 18 years mostly in Encinitas and La Jolla. Once a week for 5 weeks, 630-900pm. http://www.indigovillage.com/

Rita April 3, 2009 1:55 PM  

What a great discussion. I am totally with you about the need and effectiveness of safe clear boundaries in which the child can be free to develop and grow. As a Montessori and early childhood educator of many years it became very clear to me that having those clear and simple boundaries in the classroom was easy compared to what happens at home. At home all our own childhood hurts, pains, abandoments and losses colour our intention to be great parents and our interactions with our chldren. Recently I read Parenting for a Peaceful Planet by Robin Grille an Australian psychologist. He spends the first part of the book describing the history of childhood which is horific to say the least. However this history lets us see how far we have come. In the second part of the book he describes 5 stages of a child's development from conception to age 6 and very clearly talks about that difficult time when the child wants their independence and the power stuggles that can ensue in the home. He says "The challenge for the parent revolves around the imposing of healthy, safe limits, and introducing the expectation of respect for others, without guilt-tripping, shaming or otherwise crushing the child's spirit." Robin Grille (http://www.our-emotional-health.com/about.html) also writes about "boundary setting using honest contact as opposed to authoritarian rules".
I think parenting "from the gut" is great if your own childhood history is filling your gut with the right messages. What about those who, for some reason don't, or feel they don't, get it right.
I'll finish with two points
Firstly somewhere in his book Robin Grille say that children need us to stand in our own strength .... a big ask at times .... and that is where our own growth journey is so essential for our children.
Secondly we often forget that the physical environment, at home and at school, is also a teacher. If there is no engaging and developmentally appropriate "work" ( a Montessori term) for the child to do in their environment then nothing short of bulllying will control their behaviour.
We all know that the engaged, satisfied child is also more calm and co-operative.
Currently I am creating a workshop called the Empathic Classroom which I intend to be a simple manual to help create a classroom that will meet the developmental needs of the child, set boundaries, promote emotional health, social skills. Perhaps I could also work on the Empathic Home.
I would love to hear from anyone interested in this project.

Alexis April 6, 2009 4:57 AM  

Steph,
Thanks so much for that clarification on RCB. I suppose the right instructor makes a big difference. It definitely sounds worth investigating further, especially with Susie's focus on Indigos. I appreciate the link!

Alexis April 6, 2009 5:08 AM  

Rita,
Thanks so much for your great contribution to this conversation! I think your idea of extending your classroom workshop to the home environment is a great one!

Your point about standing in our own strength is a powerful and important one. Never in my life have I grown as much as I have over the past 2 1/2 years. Parenthood calls us to face whatever issues are holding us back from being our highest, best, and most authentic selves. When we face those issues, we grow by leaps and bounds, becoming better adults and better parents. When we ignore them, we basically experience more pain, whether it's in the form of struggles with our children, our careers, our marriages, or whatever.

Thank you so much for the Robin Grille book recommendation. I'll hunt it down at our library! Sounds like a great read!

Cheers!
Alexis

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Rita April 12, 2009 2:53 PM  

Alexis, your comments about the absolute need (painful and wonderful) of growing with your children are so true. Enjoy Robin Grille ... this book will only support you on the great journey you are undertaking with your children.
I'll keep you informed on the Empahtic classroom/home project. I am at the stage where I am incredibly curious to see how it will actually turn out.
Best wishes
Rita

Alexis April 13, 2009 7:50 AM  

Thanks, Rita! Have you read his newest one, Heart to Heart Parenting? If so, which of the two do you recommend starting with?
Cheers!
Alexis

Melinda Pajak April 15, 2009 1:35 PM  

This is a great post and conversation. I have to just add my two cents. I too am a Redirecting Children's Behavior FAN!!! I've gone twice to this set of sessions. The second time you get a break on the price. I went when my son was 2 and when he was 4. He's 6 now and we're doing great. He is one of the most strong-willed kids you have ever met and that will be a good thing when he's older although it's a bit challenging now.

I took the RCB class with Nonie Levi and she was awesome. Her partner at the time was Susie Walton who is at IndigoVillage.com (the web site for more info is http://www.indigovillage.com/redirectingchildrensbehavior.html) I strongly recommend these classes if you want peace and love in your family life. It is all practical information and it helped me to grow as a mom. It also helped me to see where my parents didn't handle things right so I am aware of how not to do the same things again. I thought the information on siblings was invaluable even though I only have one child. I see how it's relevant when he has friends over and I wish my parents had known how to handle those sibling situations better.

Anyway, if I had one wish it would be to send every parent to a great RCB class. The world would be a better place! That's probably more than my 2 cents but there ya' go!

-Melinda Pajak

Alexis April 16, 2009 12:25 PM  

Thanks so much, Melinda! That's great confirmation to hear, again, about the RCB classes, and in particular, the ones through indigovillage.com. You brought it to the forefront of my mind again, so thanks for the additional push to actually go to the site and check out the classes.
Cheers!
Alexis

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